to kill himself. What's up, guys? Good to see you again. April Wine, good to see you. Out of Chaos, you too. F Vixen MC. Good to see you all. Thanks for joining us this morning. Had a little impromptu stream this morning. We're up. Uh, wow. So, um, we just finished our morning meeting for the other show. Um, and you know, I apologize. We literally just finished. Where did Oh, they're in the meeting right now. Um, come into our morning meeting for just a second, guys. Sorry about that. This is our meeting with the news desk. Um, hold on one second, Jacob. Okay, our live streams in here, too. So, this is our news desk kind of meeting on stuff.
Um, did we make any headway on that statement about why he put the why he put that on Discord? Have we figured that out? Why he said that the the rifle's in a in a in a towel in the bushes? We haven't yet. Yeah, we're still trying to figure out who the roommate is. Um, but he was communicating with his roommate through Discord. It's like know it's just weird because it seems like it was past tense. So it was after the shooting and why is he so comfortable telling the roommate that and also this there was a lot of wooded areas there and there was no specificity about a bush where.
So it's just a weird statement and I think we should focus on that guys. Okay. Guys in New York know. Yeah. That's that's to me the most puzzling thing. Why? Um what is what is he saying? It's in a towel in the bushes. What bushes? Why would you say that? What do you expect somebody to know? Why is it in the bushes? I Well, why is it in the bushes? Because he's hiding it.
But why are you leaving a note like that? Are you are you expecting somebody to go pick it up? And it kind of makes the roommate look a little guilty. Well, I don't want to say that again. We because the roommate's the one who also showed it to authorities. So, that goes the other way. The roommates But but why did he think that was going to be useful? That's what we got we got to figure out. Okay. So, I I think we make that top priority. Okay. Okay. And also I want to call the FBI immediately. One of you guys but what I want to know is have you made a decision there are no other suspects or are you still looking? I want to get an answer to that. Okay. So this is where I want your guys heads. Okay. So everybody should kind of be thinking about what are the unresolved angles to this right now. Okay. Is it closed or are they still looking? Do they suspect? Are they looking at other people? Is there another person of interest? We want to ask that immediately.
Okay. Okay. Okay. So that was our uh that meeting was supposed to happen uh three hours ago, but things have just been kind of fluid around here because of everything that's going on. Uh okay, so you know what's going on obviously uh that Tyler Robinson is the guy who they have arrested for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They're clearly, they've already said it, going to ask for the death penalty. Um, and he had been radicalized, that's for sure. Um, and hated Charlie Kirk and felt he was a fascist. Um, and said so, um, not just to family members, but on the engravings, uh, the inscriptions on the bullet cartridges, you know, where he where he made clear comments. Charles, what was the comment again about hey fascistatch? Hey fascist catch catch. Yeah. Hey fascist catch. A family member of Tyler. Um so uh what are you guys thinking? What are you saying? Bring on Babcock. That's what they're saying. Hey Babcock. Yo, actually the people in the live stream want to hear from you.
I think that's kind of interesting, too, actually. They want to hear from you on this. Unclear exactly what they want, but I know where they're going. They want to hear from you on this whole thing. Um, what do you want to talk about about it specifically? I'm just dev I got to be honest. I I'm a I tweeted this. I'm ashamed to say it, but like this has hit me harder than the deaths of people that I went to school with, that high school with that I was acquaintances with. I I don't know what it is.
Honestly, I'm ashamed to say that because I never exchanged a word with Charlie Kirk. But it's hit me, honestly, it's hit me harder than than people I actually knew that had died. It's a, you know, aside from the fact that it's appalling that somebody would do that. Yeah. A, we saw it. Yeah. Right. And I can't get that image out of my head. I know. But the other thing is cuz now I've been around a long time. Yeah. Um, and I have seen the assassination of a president, uh, of a presidential candidate that I was working for and at that hotel when it happened, the assassination of Martin Luther King, the assassination of Medgar Evers, the assassination of George Wallace, um, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, attempted assassinations of Gerald Ford, uh, the attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, Right.
There's riots and everything and just so many things. Why does it feel like there's more this one? I'll tell you why this one feels different to me. And it feels different to me. I don't know about you. Yeah. That aside from how horrific it is, it is a signal about the country, right? And it is a signal about the country that I mean why does but there was a signal a signal about the country that we're heading towards civil war. Yeah. I mean that's the way why why does it feel like things are are just so so much more ratcheted up when there's obviously been political violence in the past though. You just list you just listed off all those.
I mean, there's been political violence because everything seemed like precipice because everything kind of felt like a one-off. Yeah. That you had a, you know, crazy guy who wanted the president dead or you had the CIA that wanted the president dead. It may have been that, you know, you had um, you know, you had a a crazy man who wanted to kill a beetle, right? You know, and you never you always looked at them as fringe. They were all fringe. And they were all painted as fringe. I want to believe these people are fringe too. Understand this guy's fringe. But here's the problem. We've all become I mean everybody everybody's fringe now. It's like when you when when you keep seeing fringe, it's like it's a really big group of fringe with school shootings and everything else. So everything we passed off as fringe, we now have to kind of say it's us, right? And we never used to say in my lifetime, we never said it's us.
We said it's them. fringe and now it's us. I I still think it most people are in the middle. Most people are reasonable people who like their neighbors. But you know what? During the Civil War during the Civil War, I mean, well, maybe maybe that's different. Maybe that's different. But people don't want to go to war, but people make a decision, too. And may I I you know, I was I'm taking it back what I was thinking. The Civil War, there was a fight um a righteous fight. Yeah. To end slavery, but this is a fight to win an ideology. What the And again, I I believe that this is not a problem on one side or the other. It's on both sides and it's America now, right? Well, I understand it.
There are politicians that want to win elections and they may say things. You may use charged language that you don't necessarily believe, but you don't know how other people are going to interpret it. And there are people out there who aren't completely stable and they do hear politicians say things. I'm not saying left or right, just saying you call someone a fascist or you say this or that about somebody and maybe that person at home or on the other side of that phone takes it to heart and they say, "I'm going to stop that person." You know what it is? But you know what? You know what it is? It's like when you look at all the other events that I just mentioned, um, it gets reported and the way we funnel it is through traditional media.
You know, traditional media told me about all those things. Yeah. With social media, everybody's weighing in. And it's not two or three or four people. It's thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are embracing right the violence. Well, also and you know what gets pushed on these social media platforms is the things that are out there. It's it's you can go be moderate on X and you're no one's going to read your stuff. You've got to be I'm going to tell you an I'll tell you a secret and it's maybe it's not a real secret.
When we do polls on the website, um there's a trick to it that if you do a poll saying um who do you like most and you do a poll and with two people and then you do a poll saying who do you like least, the who do you like least will get way more interaction than the who do you like most, right? The negative works. The negative works better than the positive. And we that bears out when you look at any polling including ours on like when we do we do polling on Saturday on our website and it's so clear the engagement on the negative is so much more impactful than the engagement in the positive even with the same subject right I I do I I think social media is so great and there's so many beneficial things but I I think it's had a horrific effect on society and I I think it it really I think it really I think it it really bears a lot of But then the qu but then the question is what is the blame for this? Did social media create this problem or is it just surfacing what people really believe? That's a great question, right? Is it chicken? What that we all say, oh it's social media that did this, but is social media just surfacing how it might dormant in everybody and then now you've got an opportunity.
How do people really feel? Why you not even know, Jackson? Cuz it's not just social media. It's social media mixed with politics that's driving people into lunacy. Dude, dude. Dude. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In it 1967 through 1973 when the Vietnam War was raging and Richard Nixon was president for a lot of that time and Lyndon Johnson was president and people were getting shot at Kent State and there were riots and there were demonstrations and believe me the acrimony from politics back then was at least what it is now at the volume it is now.
So what what now imagine that with Twitter. Huh? Imagine that with Twitter. No, I understand. But the difference is is that there were participants then and to participate you had to be out there. You had to demonstrate. Now you don't have to. And now you don't have to. You can be at home. I mean I remember cuz I went to UCSB and there were demonstrations. There were riots and you participated in a movement but that meant you have to you have to go out and participate. Right. You don't have to go out and participate. So everybody's everybody's a participant. Yeah. You say whatever you want anonymously and everybody's a participant. Well, okay. Things calmed down then the tension was brought down. How did that happen then? Because I think this is a point number one. Number one, the war ended, right? Well, right. So what what's that moment for us here now? All I know is there are politicians in DC today who are saying privately that their kids are begging them not to run again because they're afraid they're going to get like this is it's going to have such a chilling effect.
And there's a meeting today with the speaker uh of the house to increase security and um and I think you're going to see a lot of people not running for re-election. Yeah. Why what's the point? Why would anyone do it at this point? I honestly and and that's bad. Now you're going to have good people who could have potentially helped this country who don't run, who don't get involved. Abs. Well, it's it's absolutely and and you know and you you're going to hold a town hall now. You going to hold a town hall? I mean, you already saw what the volume was at at town halls, right? So now what are you going to do? Hold a town hall where you are vulnerable to anybody who walks in the door. You cannot be protected 100% of the time. Does not matter. Charlie Kirk had security. I know he did. It it doesn't matter. It's if someone wants to get you, right? Donald Trump had security.
He was right. Donald Trump had security. Secret Service protection does not matter. Ronald Reagan had security, right? So, how does anybody out there that's thinking about getting into politics today that says, "I feel like I can help this country." Why would you ever do it? But here's the thing. So, you get killed. I mean, you could say Charlie Kirk, he wasn't a politician. He was part He was leading a political movement. He was an activist. Yes. and he got shot because he's an activist, right? It just bothers me so much, Harvey, that he was the guy, the one guy we always say we want to have conversations.
He was the one guy that would say, "Hey, if you I remember watching him. I watched him so often. He would have thousands of people at his events and he would say, "If you disagree with me, come up." He didn't want to hear from these supporters. And then and then if the audience would disrespect the person who was disagreeing with Charlie, he'd tell them, "Be quiet. Let them talk." He actually wanted to hear the ideas. And nobody else wants to do that. But what he figured out, and look, I disagreed with a lot of the things he said, but what he figured out is you don't change minds by talking to the people who agree with you.
If you want to build a movement, you got to get people who are either apathetic to the movement or oppose the movement and talk it out so that you agree. Right. Exactly. And he figured that out really young, brilliantly as an 18-year-old. I I was I mean, I had a vision. figure that out really young because that's the way you convince people. I I mean in our office honestly it's one of the reasons I say to people I want arguments right no it's I want arguments in here because what happens is it surfaces the I yeah what's up what's up I disagree with okay on argue I I don't think he was trying to convince the person he's debating or arguing with because how often did you see that happen often did he really how often did he sit down with someone and then they were like, "Oh, you know what? I think you're right, Charlie." Or he went, "Oh, you know what? I think you're right." It's not about infrequently.
It was about the debate and letting people other people see it. He's trying to convince Well, yeah, but it's not audience. That's that's who he's recruiting. I agree with you, but it's the same person in order, right, to show everybody what you're all about. People had an opportunity to come up there and make a point. We're saying the same thing. We are saying the same thing. I agree with you that that person is just the vehicle to change minds in a broader sense, but you can't do it if somebody comes up and says, "God, I just love what you're saying about X, Y, and Z." Right.
Right. Do you know people say My point is, well, we're not saying because it's not the person. Well, whether it's maybe sometimes it is, but he's talking to thousands of people. Maybe he's hoping he can, but that didn't happen. I've seen it happen here and there. I think most I think if you're going to step up to a microphone and debate Charlie Kirk, you're probably pretty set in your ways. I I will say this. I know when Elon Musk and Donald Trump had the falling out, everyone's, "Oh, Donald Trump wouldn't be president if not for Elon Musk." That very mold may be true.
I know Donald Trump would not be president if not for Charlie Kirk. And maybe that makes people dislike Charlie Kirk, but I think that's the impact that he had. He brought so many young people on board that MAGA movement. Honestly, he was the most important person. He was important in my mind. Joe Rogan was really important. Well, that Joe Joe Rogan was really But the Joe Rogan thing was here and there, Harvard. I mean, Charlie Kirk day in No, no, I'm not discount. I think Joe Rogan was massively important, but I just think Charlie Kirk was the most important, especially with the young people.
I don't know. I mean, Donald Trump going on Joe Rogan and Ob doing all that stuff. But bottom line, those people were important. Um, yes, everyone's dropping hearts in chat. Dropping what? Hearts. I'm always interested to see the reaction. It can't be for both of us. It's got to be charged state the state charges. We don't know the federal yet, but Oh, it's state. Yeah. Oh, what are they what are they charging? Aggravated murder felony discharge of firearm causing serious bodily injury and obstruction of justice. The aggravated the aggravated murder is the death penalty one, right? That's the one I get. They talk about the limp uh from our um you know from the video. Oh, what are they saying? They say uh notable limp from previous surveillance was abs was absent. This is ab I think after the after the attack. So what what what they're saying that's a statement from that's in court documents. Okay. So, what they're saying is, in case I don't know if you saw it or not, yesterday afternoon, we put up a video um from the neighborhood 3 minutes before this guy entered the campus where he is walking with this kind of stiff leg, not bending that right leg, not bending and not bending it.
And what seems pretty clear is he may well have had a rifle um down his family, especially cuz after we saw him afterwards, he doesn't have that gate anymore, which is what they're saying that we have video of him afterward running and there's no stiff leg. So, and he ditched the ditch the weapon and so very clear now. They're saying it wasn't they they believe the same. It's eerie to see that minutes later. It's obvious that he has something. Absolutely. It's eerie to watch that to know just minutes later that this is going and and again that video it was 3 minutes before he entered campus that we got the ring the ring video and then 6 minutes after the shooting you see him running in that same area away in this wooded area which is where he dropped the gun the weapon.
Yep. Um again I am still this is the one part what I want to know and hopefully our news desk is going to get this and figure this out. Are they done? I mean, are they saying we got our guy, you acted alone, or are they looking for other people? Are you concerned with some of the the messages to the room? I don't I and again, I'm not inferring that the roommate did anything, but it's weird to me that you say to somebody the gun is in a towel in the bushes, right? Why are you telling them that? I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is, wait a minute, if you want him to get it, you would, but you haven't told him about it in advance, you would be more specific than saying the bushes, cuz there are bushes all over the place, right? I'm not suggesting there was, but was there a previous conversation that happened between them? Right? I mean that's but then you got to think but wait a minute the roommate voluntarily showed authorities that message but wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that you see something absolutely horrific on TV and then okay this has got a lot more I don't know yeah that's where I'm that that's where my head is right I'm sure the FBI and the and the local officials there are going to look into this obviously it seems like he felt somebody would get that weapon because he was trying to escape this was not a guy who thought oh I'm going to get caught he who was trying to escape and it seems like he had some plan to have the weapon ditched, right? It's just I don't understand what that is, right? Me me either.
Yeah. Um, what are we saying? Talking about how they want the death penalty. Yeah. No. Well, they're asking for it. I do, too. The roommate. So, when the investigators go to talk to the roommate, the roommate describes the texts, the messages on Discord as a joke. So, and then says, "Here, I'll show you what I'm talking about." And shows the investigators the messages. I don't know why he may I don't know why the roommate described it as a joke.
I don't either. I mean, maybe he just thought this is outrageous. Like, it was a joke. But what's the joke? I'm I'm not hearing the joke. Well, or he's covering it up. What's the joke? Well, we don't know. He's clearly not covering it up cuz he showed it. He showed it to them. He just see the partice comes out. He says to the investigators, "Yeah, uh, you know, Tyler made this joke on Discord. I'll show you." But what's the joke? I don't know why he used the word joke. I don't get it. I mean, was it was it so outrageous that he just thought, "Oh, what did he say?" I mean, again, I'm my recollection. Do you have the exact quote? Yeah, it's about the So he says here uh the content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush.
Uh messages related to visually watching the area where a rifle was left. Messages. Wait a minute. That was plural messages. Messages, right? And a and a message. and a message referring to uh having left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets. Also mention uh that he had changed outfits. What's the joke? Uh the joke part is maybe that he was not serious about it. I don't know how he weird. So So he says investigators interviewed the roommate who stated that his roommate referring to Robinson made a joke on Discord. investigators asked if he would show them the messages and that's when he shows them all these messages. That's not a joke. I mean there's nothing jokey. I mean it's what it says. I I I know it's what it says. It's just not answering the underlying thing that we're talking about. Why is he saying that? No. Yeah. It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. So this is correct. To me there's something more to this that we're not we don't know.
There's something certainly there's something more to that than we know. I agree. I agree. Look, they'll find out. They're going to know who else who else was he messaging. Right. But again, if you're doing it so people would pick up the weapon, wouldn't you be specific about the Bush right here? Here. Unless you had a previous conversation about where it was going, right? Maybe that points Exactly. Exactly. Ready to start? Show. Not quite. Not quite. Do you guys see what we're talking about? Harvey doesn't understand Gen Z. They always think it's a joke to say something random or edgy. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. Maybe you're right.
Maybe you're right. I don't know. Maybe that is a Gen Z thing. You're right. I don't get it. Do you I mean if you do explain it and I'm not saying it to be argumentative I don't understand it. Yeah. I mean it's true like I see it a lot on social media to where there are things said that shouldn't be said that are just so far over the line that it's comical. So but what's comical there? nothing with that nothing because he actually But then why is the roommate saying it was a joke, right? Because maybe that's what he thought at the time because that's what I'm saying. How do you look at that and say, "Oh, it's a joke." Because especially in communities on Discord, people take it to like the next level of it is just so outrageous the things that are said on there that they can be taken as comedic in a sense.
So maybe at the time he was being sent those messages, he thought it was a joke, but obviously after the fact it's not funny at all. I don't know. Well, no. I'm just saying independent of what actually happened. I'm not understanding that, oh, you get something like that without knowing anything about what actually happened and you get it and say it's just a joke. I mean, I I don't get it. I think if Lucas and I were having a prior conversation about something and I was like, "Yeah, dude. Boom." Right. That that'd be that's what we're saying. Brass and it's it's it's he would obviously think I'm joking, right? Like I didn't actually No, but you're right.
But that it's the prior conversation part that we're talking about. Was there a prior conversation? And that's what the feds haven't talked about, right? Which it's incredibly important to this. Yeah. But if they hadn't previously talked about it, I can see why he would think it was a joke. You know, so outlandish and like, "Haha, you're so funny. You killed Charlie." Have they closed this case? I mean, is it over? They say, "We got one guy. He acted alone." I would be shocked if that were the case. I would be shocked if it was the case, too. Um, hey, Charlie. Oh, Alexa. Are people working on that? I I want to find out, have they closed the case? Do they say acted alone or is it still an active investig? We need to get an answer very quickly on this. And it should be more than one person making these calls.
Okay. It should just be more whatever you guys are doing. That's priority one. And associated with that is what was this discord message? So this should be priority one and not left to one person. We should do that with the room. So you guys, if you're doing something else that's not as important, jump on this first, then we'll get to the less important stuff. Okay. Okay. Um, we should start. We should start. Okay. Let's do this. What did I do? Okay. Oh, let me just see something. Um, Charlie, so I just want to make sure what the the the key thing is, is this case closed in the sense that they're not looking for anybody else? because it's still open. That's number one. And number two is this Discord message. So, everybody, I think, should be working on that. Let's let's solve that and then we move on to the next stuff.
Okay. Unless there's something you guys have got that's really like I mean we in our meeting we had about five different bullet points of things that we needed to get answers from. We all divvied out. Okay. You you guys call I I think you guys figure out how you want to do it. But to me, those are the two fundamental things you want to hear. Yeah, agree. Right. So, just make sure somebody's not stalled where it's just sitting. You know, if you want to divvy it up, that's fine, but just make sure whoever's doing it, it's not like just sitting in stalled.
Yeah, we have a good communication. Okay. Okay. Okay. What's that? This is what he was referring to. And it that looks like Mau. The shell casing that says notices bulge. We were trying to figure out what it was. It's some meme. Yeah. Two words. This is the meme. That looks like I don't know what it means. I need someone younger to explain to me what it means. Oops. Sorry. You guys are reviving the chat. A bit by bit. noticed pounces on you and notices your bulge. God will come back over. No, I know what you're saying. That looks like Matt and that looks like Fidel Castro. What are they saying? Friends of this guy. What's going on over here? These two people are sexing each other. Guest besides the um you guys got to figure this out. I mean, just book somebody good. We already have someone good. Notices Bulge. Oh, what's this? Young Turk. You interviewed him. Yeah. But we're also trying to find something to be like the Oh, he's a furry.
I see. He's a furry suspect. And what the other thing that was referencing to Oh, this is the reference to furries. FBI again. I really want to get this guy. What's this in relation to? How does this connect to Tyler? The fired the fired shell casing had that written on it. I just noticed his bulge. That's what he wrote in the casing. The fired shell casing. So, we're trying to figure out what the hell. Okay. So, he's trying he's like an edge lord. He's trying to be edgy. Okay. He's terminally online. But am I wrong? This looks like bouncy tongue to me. And that looks like Fidel Cast. These are memes that when you're very online, you know what they're saying. It's the same as the other one where he said, "If you catch this, you're gay." It's online culture.
It's when you're so online and you're young. That's why when the old guy was originally it can't be him because that's an old man wouldn't know these memes. This is a young person's thing. It's very 4chan very discord very Reddit like terminally online is how I think essentially. Yeah. They're they're in a it's like a different This is their type of humor by the way. But this is for lols is what they say, right? You do this for lols. You're doing it for basically. We got it. Trying to help trying to help you. I I looked it up and I shouted. Hello. That's great.
Wow, Derek. I know. That was just a revelation. I'm trying to I didn't know where you were on. By the way, I want to earlier that's what he's been char he hasn't been charged at. That's the booking over. He's being booked for aggravated. Well, they've already said they're going to seek the death penalty. Oh, they're showing our video. Look. So, this is the video. Real quick, Jackson, come over here. So, this is the video of him walking. Oh, they just cut it away. So, they're saying that's where he um had the rifle down his pant leg.
Um if you missed it, you can watch it on our YouTube channel, which is it's up right now. What's that? Uh okay. So, we're about to start. Let me just think for a second. Tanda, have we checked with a teacher at the high school? Oh, that that would make sense. Alexa, have you guys each other? He had a 4.0 at this high school. So, it may be somebody that teachers know, but the live staff should start making calls on that, too. Okay. Help me out here, dude. Yeah. You want a Red Bull? No, no, no, no. I know. Feed me something. Um, okay. No one has mentioned why the guy who asked Charlie Kirk his last question said great as he was getting shot. Why did he respond like that if Charlie's answer didn't warrant a response of great? I'm sorry.
Say it again. So, the guy that was asking Charlie Ko the question right before he got shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Charlie Ko says, "In relation to gang violence, including gang violence or non-gang violence." The guy asking the question responds with, "Great." Right. Right before he gets shot. I think it's because when you're up on that microphone, you're just saying the first thing that comes to mind because there's so much pressure. This guy has gone on social media and talked, the guy who asked that question, and he was just, I mean, he was actually really compelling if you listen to him. This is when I saw Oh, yeah. No, no, he was he was if you haven't seen it, you should look at you should watch that guy. He's You can also see there's an angle of his reaction the moment it happens, which is just horrifying. But you um he he spoke for a couple of minutes on social. Um and he's it's really really impactful.
It's something Ow. Uh sorry about that. Shooter had a four-year $35,000 college grant. $32,000 college grant, but it looks like he only went for a semester. Do you think he dropped out because he became radicalized? All speculation at this point. Yeah, people do it for all sorts of reasons. Clearly, he became radicalized. You know, it's interesting this Halloween picture that's that his mom posted. This was 2017. Um he is on the shoulders of a guy who's wearing a green Trump mask and a guy standing next to he's not really on the shoulders.
It's a thing that's attached to him. So it's made to look like the costume is supposed to be that he's riding on the back of this the Donald Trump guy, right? But there's not really a person there. Oh, I thought that was a person. No, that's the costume. Oh, that's the costume. It's one person, but it's made to look like So it looks like he's riding the back, right? And then there's a guy next to him with a toy rifle. With a toy rifle. Yeah. Um, which is interesting because that's 2017. That was a picture you just saw. Can you put it up again? Why? Oh, yeah. That's the shot. Why are we not hearing more about his 9:00 a.m. visit to campus? Um, you mean checking out the campus? Yeah. Um, it looks like he that was relevant in the sense not not just the fact that he was checking out the campus, but that he was wearing different clothes than he wore at the time of the shooting. And when the police came to his to his dad's home to get him, um, he was wearing the clothing or at least some of the same clothing that he was wearing when he scoped out the campus um, earlier that day, that early 9:00 a.m.
uh visit. Um and that just places it's just more evidence that the two align. Did that youth pastor receive $100,000 up to 100K, right? God, you just you just raised something really interesting. You just raised something really interesting in a way. You don't like Well, I suppose it's the youth pastor, but the father is the one who set that in motion. Think about how crazy it would be if this guy's dad asked for the $100,000 because he set in motion the capture of his son.
Wow. Yeah, should check it out. Um, was the shooter a hunter or outdoorsman? We don't know. And I mean, you know, it's so interesting. There there are people who are saying this doesn't mean he's a professional at all. That it wasn't really the shot he was going for. He just was a, you know, what they called a quote lucky shot that he hit a corateed artery. But that the shot would have been for an expert more in the chest. Um I had read that it was impossible, the trajectory would have been possible to go above where it was. But um there are people kind of discounting that it's that it's um that he was an expert. To me, when somebody does one shot and leaves, that's somebody adept. Yeah. To me, I'm not an expert, so I don't know, but it's it it feels like it's somebody adept. Um, by the way, Alexa, are we making that call? Um, kill my mic for just a second. My mic's down. Needs an IFB. He's got to get an IFB over there.
Yeah. All good. He's I don't think he's uh bleeding. Think 100K is some type of solace for having to turn over your kid. Uh, I'd argue that taking that 100K would actually add to the uh, guilt maybe. Would you take a 100K for turning your own son in? And also, it was a youth pastor that called, remember? It was it was so this kid had returned home to confess to his dad what he'd done.
The dad said, "Turn yourself in." Obviously, Robinson said no. And, uh, his dad in turn called the youth pastor who in turn called the authorities. So, classmates. He wasn't going to be around his classmates, but he would still have some interaction with the teachers. Call the teachers. Yeah. Where's your earpiece? Where's your earpiece? Oh, I should put it in.
Yeah. So, there's no asset for the password. Okay. Okay. Others what? They've reported Is anybody has anybody shown it? No. Hey Alexa, call him right now and tell him he has not gotten to the bottom of that. Yeah. Did Did the dad even know? Hey, Charles. Isn't Alexa, have you called him? Huh? Okay. I He has not gotten to the bottom of that. Hey Jamie in Utah, do you need a registration to get a gun? Do you need Oh, no. I have to look that up. Okay, then you should see when did he Is there anything online that shows who is registered to own a gun? Is there anything like that? Yeah. Let's find out when he got that. You do not you don't have to register. Not need to register a gun to purchase it in Utah. Why don't you see if he has one of those? Yeah. Just see if he's on any of those lists. Okay.
Did you hear what we said though? What? A handgun. Everything else is No, I know. But let's see if he has that. Oh, I know. I just make sure you heard that. Yeah. Okay. Uh, that is disgusting. That's disgusting. No, I should go wash this. This bowl. Don't show it. No, I'm not. It was from early this morning and I just got to watch this real fast. Oh, he's going. All right. Got to start the show, guys.
Awesome. H see what you guys are saying. Glad to hear you're still tuning in, Monique. Where is Harvey's yellow cup? You can see it over there. It's It's such a I mean, come on. Stands out like a sore thumb. It's hard to miss it. Uhoh. Go. That's been sitting since 6:00 in the morning. I drank my Red Bull way too early. I'm actually finally not exhausted. What does he say? um uh confirmed the investigation is still ongoing. They believe he acted alone, but it's still an ongoing investigation and would investigate any information. Okay. I think that's a story right there. Yeah. Um did the governor did the governor say I mean like I I just Where did he say that? I never heard that. Governor said it during the conference when they were taking questions. Um and the Department of Public Safety is saying at this time we believe he acted alone.
So there there's an opening there for there could be other people. Yeah. But it's interesting. So that means they're necessarily discounting the Discord message. What do you mean discounting the Discord? I still don't clearly understand why you think the discord it's like saying to somebody get the gun before the authorities do to me I think intentionally they have not revealed they didn't quote exactly what those messages are think prosecutors probably don't want that out there but you put this in context your point is the fact that he's sharing this information with someone opens a door to that person somehow being allegedly I'm not even saying that person it's that look I I don't know I mean so they're saying that at this point he acted alone so that's what they believe okay do we know the high school he went to Is there a yearbook [Music] photo where you see other high schoolers names Is there a yearbook of the prom prom a prom pick from the yearbook.
Correct. I mean, we're trying to get in a student. A student's going to have a yearbook, right? But what I'm saying it, well, is it not online? Not that. Are we sure? Anakin, can you help on this, too? Live streaming. I want to find out if there's like a yearbook that's online. Okay. I think that's highly relevant. Okay. Oh my god. What? You found it? St. George, Utah. Did you find it? Oh, yeah. I mean, of course. I mean, no, it's right. I mean, I I have the school. I'm just trying to see if I can find Anakin can jump in on this. And I want to see if Anakin Mhm. like down for Harvey, please.
No, fine. He He can He can He can keep it up. Right. That would be highly relevant. Okay. Har. Yeah. If he if there was one if he had one. Right. Right. Well, yeah. That's also a big presumption. Worth trying, right? Yeah. I don't know. Hey, I had Brian's saying you don't need a a permit in Utah. You only need a permit to carry a concealed concealed weapon. We know. Yeah. Not not a long gun. We know. But that's what we want to try. We want to see if there's Did he have a concealed Um, okay.
What are we going to do? Because we don't have an A2. We don't have it, right? Got to be. What's B? Uh, Taylor and Usher just flag. Why don't we do B for broadcast? We got to get a guest in leave at 11:45 for an appointment today. actually possibly be them. What happened? Mic down for me, please. some friends when he when he Oh, I didn't realize he was there. And the funny thing is at one point he says, look, you know, he's sort of couching everything. He's saying, "Look, this is just the information I just got 5 minutes ago and just want to it could change and I want to make sure nobody gets sued. We don't want Fox News getting sued." I'm like, "I'm sorry. Do you forget? Have you forgotten?" It wouldn't be funny if he paused and said again, that Reagan just had a heart attack. some really interesting, but I don't know if we should say it right now.
Um, can you kill my mic? Harvey's mic. I actually just got a little tidbit. Um, extremely interesting information that Alexis just uncovered here, guys. I do imagine that we'll be talking about it briefly, though. It's not not too too sensitive, but definitely interesting. [Music] We're gonna go to my desk. Okay, Alexa, print that out. We're gonna write this and put it up real quick. Left, the Discord logo on the right. Thank you. Why am I blanking on his first name? Tyler. Tyler. [Music] If it is, we're still doing it.
Let's see if it's exclusive. Are you printing? [ __ ] how do I Hey. Hey. Um, can somebody print out specifically what the um what the roommate wrote about the Discord plan? You know, the whole thing with the gun. It's in that um in the affidavit. Discord was not used. Where's that the affidavit that we just that Mark wrote off? I got it. Here it is. I got it.
I got here. Come over here plan to Can you put it on my desk so I don't have to say it out loud? Um get art ready. Use a picture from our gallery, please. Use a picture from our gallery as the main. You got me of the suspect. Where am I? Here. The plan. Hey, mike down for me, please. So like dude. Okay, now I need the uh what he said. Where is that? I got it right here. Okay, talk to me. Which part? Um uh authorities say authorities say hold on the roommate. Authority the Robinson's roommate. Oh god. Authorities say roommate told them. Showed them. Showed them. Yeah. Uh I do you want to the part where he references Discord? Yeah. Tyler's Robinson's roommate told them Robinson had made quote a joke on Discord. Yep. And then he showed and then showed investigators the messages. I need the messages. Investigator included messages which included uh Tyler quote Tyler in quotes. quote Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point. Yep. Comma leaving the rifle in a bush. Yeah. Message. What about the towel? And a message referring to having left the rifle.
A message referring to having left the rifle in a towel. In a towel. Um um Utah authorities have said as of this point they believe Robinson acted alone, but the investigation is ongoing. Okay, are you guys ready for this? Charles, you good? You good with what I wrote? What's the headline? Um, the [ __ ]. I know. Didn't use platform. I know. It's the same use. Yeah, it's fine. Okay. Um, put this up. You got a URL. Put the um, put it in and get this up quick.
Okay. Like quick quick. We have Charlie again. We have Charlie K twice. I Oh, can we fix that? Yes. In suspect's plan. Yeah. In the fragment one. Okay. Discourse says PL were not used in suspect's murder plan instead of take out Charlie Kirk there because we've already got it up there. Uh, bet we apostrophe. Yes. All right, Reagan, if we're not out. Okay, let's URL this thing. [Music] I'm in. If our mic wasn't up, we can put the mic up again. Put one picture in. I want it up. You got the picture in. Do it quickly. Good job. Got it. I just want to make sure this gets up first.
Javon, is it done? Need it now. Got it. Get it up and then and add assets after you get this up. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. This is fascinating what we're doing. Not related to this, but this is so interesting. Putting the puzzle pieces together. Taylor Swift or not? Or not? Or not. Oh, are we doing the depo or or Usher? Oh, I thought we were doing Usher. Well, we're doing Usher. I love Usher. I love Usher. Can you talk about Discord? What happened? Oh, so Discord is it's it's interesting. So, we just put this up. Discord gave us a statement that none of this was on Discord. The planning of none of it was on Discord. None of the planning was on Discord. And any note that the roommate was talking about was a note sent between the roommate and a friend. That's what I found really interesting. No, Harvey. I think it was that uh Tyler left a note for his roommate and the roommate was telling a friend on Discord.
Right. But apparently that none of the planning was on Discord on this thing. But why is the roommate telling a friend? Oh, wait. Hold on. Charlie, that's interesting. Wait, I think that's what it said, right? I know what you're saying. Here it is. Hey, Alexa, can you read that story and make sure because I think just the way they explained it was incorrect. So, they It seems like Discord is challenging what the way it was laid out. I thought they were challenging the roommate the the explanation that this was on Discord. Exactly. for the Yeah. Well, that's kind of what we said. The kind of the messages Tyler the way they the Cameron get out, please. The way the authorities lay it out, they absolutely make it sound like these messages were Discord were on Discord, right? But interview, investigators asked if he would show them the messages on Discord.
He opened it and showed several messages and allowed investigators to take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages including content of messages between the phone contact named Tyler, right, with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate device. The content of these messages include messages affiliated with the contact Tyler the contact. So they're still referring to Discord. So the the authorities are Yes.
Right. At least the way they say no that's ex that's what we said here that they showed saying that Discord is saying it wasn't on their platform. I think Discord is saying that there was an account for Tyler that they removed which we should probably add that they removed his account. Um by the way that's true. But here's the thing. I mean, that's fine, but the point here is th all this stuff according to the according to was on Discord, right? But they're saying that what happened on Discord was the roommate explaining to a friend that Tyler had left a note elsewhere about the gun, about the rifle. So, they are they are challenging what the the way the authorities laid it out. It's accurate, right? The question is, do we want to emphasize that with another sentence here? I I think we have to. So, how do we say that? The messages reference reporting are planning details do not appear to be discord messages. These communications between the suspect's roommate and a friend after the saying these communications were not on its platform platform right on its platform.
else rather on a note that that Robinson had written to had written off the site rather than a note. Yeah. That Robinson written off the site I think written comma off the site to his roommate. Just look at that sentence one more time before we add it. Discord seems to be saying these communications were not on its platform rather on a note that Robinson had written comma off the site comma another comma to his roommate had written to it. Does that work Alexa? Yeah. Work. Yeah. Okay. That's up. Okay. Oh, shoot. All right. Could Okay. Where? Oh, my phone's over there. Sorry about any followups you want me to ask Discord.
What? Any follow-up questions you want me to ask this Discord? Maybe. Um, no. I think you kind of got it. Okay, sounds good. you know this thing that Charlie that or that you call Jacob about I'm really interested in that and he has not he has not gotten to the bottom of that I'm ready okay got it there you Okay. Okay. Here we go. What is this? B. Yep. Are we using a Skype? I don't think we're going to have time for both. Okay, here we go. With a Skype in between them. Two Skypes. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Well, it is official. Taylor Swift is going to be right in the middle.
She's already been in the middle of Justin Valdon and Blake Lively's war, but it's getting real now, but now she's going to be questioned um under oath. She is going to be deposed. They are in what they call the discovery phase of Blake Lively's lawsuit against Justin Baldoni and she has been subpoenaed uh to sit for a deposition. And if you recall, um, because we did a lot of stories on this, um, that Taylor Swift, our sources say, is furious at Blake Lively and believes she was betrayed and set up because there was an infamous meeting between Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Justin Baldoni at Blake and Ryan's penthouse in New York.
Taylor, uh, according to our sources, was invited by Blake to show up, not knowing that Justin Baldoni was there. And then, according to our Taylor sources, uh, that Blake wanted to make it look like Taylor was on their side, not Justin's side. Right. And then once the lawsuits were filed, there were text messages that came out that revealed that Blake referred to uh, Taylor and Ryan as her dragons. So there to do her bidding. There to do her bidding and to make it feel like the deck was stacked that when Taylor Swift is supporting one side in a creative difference discussion, uh, that side's going to win. I mean, that's really the idea, which is why um that's which is why Justin Beldon's attorney, Brian Freriedman, wants to grill Taylor Swift about Yeah.
all of this. I I have a theory about this. What do you say? Well, by the way, this is happening next month, you guys. This is right around the corner. And in the documents that we obtained, which show that Taylor's going to sit down for this deposition, it said that she had some pre-existing obligations. Remember, she has that album coming out in October. She's busy. The album comes out. Yep. And she cannot sit down for the deposition before October 20th.
So, it's going to be later on October. It means she needs two weeks to work on promotion for her album and then she'll get to the A jud it depends on what a judge says. I need to promote my album and just probably didn't put it that way. Right. Right. They just said she's not available. If this case is to settle, it will settle before Taylor Swift for a deposition because Blake there is a lot of pressure now because one of the because one of the things they're going to get into is all the text messages um that between Blake and Taylor because Taylor says the only interaction I had about this movie was he seeing or at least with Justin Meldon was running into him and saying, "Hey, I heard the is good. Congrats. But if they start getting into it with her and she starts saying under oath how she feels betrayed, that Blake was using her, that Blake was lying. Um, oh man, it's going to get so nasty. And remember, they haven't been seen. Blake and Taylor, they were so close, but they haven't been seen together.
That relationship's over for so long, ever since like this lawsuit got brewed up. Um, but yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what Taylor Swift says, but what I'm most excited for, they filmed these deposition. No, they're all videotaped and you know they're not ever supposed to come out, but they always do. They always do. I mean, we've seen a million of them. I just could Could Blake if Blake wanted to make a lastditch effort to save her relationship with Taylor? No. If she wanted to, this would be like you said, settle the lawsuit before Taylor has to sit for the deposition. You've spared Taylor and maybe maybe that's the door to opening to repairing the relationship. Let's go to a Taylor Swift expert. Charlie, would Blake would Taylor Swift forgive Blake Lively ever? I'm going to say it's a no. It's a no. Even though Blake's kids um are the godchilds to Taylor, we saw this happen with Jamie King. Taylor was also the godp parentent to her kids.
They are not friends anymore. So, Taylor knows how to cut it off and move on. Hi, my name is Danny from Miami. I think Taylor Swift is extremely annoyed that she's got dragged into this mess. But what I find most interesting is the fact that just about Dony's attorney wants Taylor to testify. That means they're not afraid of the testimony. They're hoping for it. So, I don't think uh Blake Lively's dragon is going to be there for her defense. I'm very excited to see No, no. The the dragon may be breathing fire, though.
The dra the dragon may be breathing fire. Okay, we're going to move on. Yes. Uh to Super Bowl. A lot of people, myself included, think that Taylor Swift is going to be the person who performs the Super Bowl halftime. I thought it until I saw this clip. We got an expert here in LA. And that would be Usher who himself a couple years ago performed the halftime show. And we asked him his opinion about who will be performing the halftime show. He has a very interesting alternative aside from Taylor. And this could be real. So, you've had your residency, your halftime show. What's next for you, Usher? More of all of it. You know, lifestyle family, you know what I mean? Usher, I want to know, is there anyone you'd like to see for the Super Bowl halftime show? Metallica. Okay. So, Metallica, by the way, I was in New York, not LA. Um, uh, Metallica. So, where is Metallica from? The Bay Area. And where is the Super Bowl going to be played? Bay Area. And does the NFL often pay homage to people? They often try to get someone who is they want local flavor.
And how big is Metallica, Eric? Pretty damn. How big is Metallica? How big is Metallica? So, the Black Album, their 1991 self-titled album, is the bestselling album of the last 35 years. It is certified 20 times platinum. 30 million copies sold worldwide. It's like not even close. It's the biggest album of the last 35 years. That's uh it's pretty good cred. So, not bad for the resume. So, hometown. Mhm. What a good idea. And by the way, for the NFL for a half like the the metal rock fans and all that, but everybody likes Metallica. It's not like there's such a a band that's going to put off other people. So when they do inner sand man, it's going to bring down the stadium. Oh yeah, it's it's a brilliant perfect and it's the perfect vibe. Was Usher saying it because well it's on Reddit. I mean people are talking about this. This is a a thing and there's a push for it now. So uh Jay-Z's move. Hey guys, what's up? It's Diamond in Dallas. Now listen, Usher's Cloud Time performance was phenomenal.
I am still geeked out nine months later. Now Usher has earned the right to pass the baton to whomever he says should perform next. And I'm going to be honest, I have no idea who Metallica is. But even if he should perform, Mickey Mouse should perform what Usher says goes. You will love Metallica if they play. We guarantee it. Also, just finished the segment. So, let me let me uh I think you got to do you need take I got 20 seconds. I got We're doing the show. Guess not. I think that's the same thing you have here. But I wrote big I [ __ ]. I told What's up? Sorry, Keith. I got it. I'm not going to say Well, no. We should do one or the other. Oh my god. It's so Canad. It's so good to see regulars back in chat. You know, the last couple of days there all these names I'm not used to, you know. Um, hey, can you do me a favor? Um, uh, Reagan, can you hear me? You tell Olivia to contact Suge and let him know we're not going to be doing it this week.
Um, so we're gonna we're not doing this one o'clock thing, so we'll do it next week. It's okay. Yes. No, Kyle's not breathing me. It's like it's a show online show, right? So, Jenker, this is who you Luigi. Yeah, he is founder of Oh, besides me. Yeah, it's good to see you guys. Um, Maragold and I saw don't the Watcher and DJ Blowout as well. It's good to see you all. It's been a very rough rough couple of days, but thank you guys for sticking with us. Jake, how you doing? Hey, Jarvey, can you hear us? Uh, we're not hearing you. Hear him. We saw him speak, but we did not hear him. Yeah, there we hear you now. We got you. Thanks for Yeah. Thanks for doing this. You guys hear me now? Yep. Yep. All right. How you doing, guys? We're good. Okay. Uh, thank you for doing this.
No problem. Uh, we are ready to roll. Here we go. Got it. Welcome back to TMZ Live. Since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we have seen scores of reactions to it and we've been discussing the fact that some of it has been kind of heated and we were a lot thinking and hoping heated that it would be the temperature would come down in the wake of such a tragedy. Um, our next guest is right in the middle of all of this because, uh, Jenk UR is the founder of Young Turks, which is a huge platform. It leans left, but a huge national platform, right? And, uh, Jenk actually had something interesting to say about Charlie Kirk's death.
Uh, and it was actually very, very kind. Um, and being that his group is progressive, um, some people felt like he shouldn't be embracing uh, Charlie Kirk in that way. But, uh, Jenk has a perspective on this because he has spent time talking to Charlie Kirk, debating Charlie Kirk, and he's joining us now. Jenk Uer, welcome to TMZ Live. Uh, thank you guys. I appreciate it. So Jenk, um this is just so interesting to me because it this has been talked about now for um a long time about can you be friendly, cordial, um can you even be friends with somebody who has political views diametrically opposed to your own? You're taking some heat for putting up I I believe you had a beer after debating uh Charlie Kirk and you're taking heat about uh heat from that. Um what do you say to to the criticism? Yeah.
So, um, Charlie and I had a couple of interviews slashdebates and then he invited me to America Fest and I went, uh, on there and, uh, and I, uh, said three rules there and on other shows, including the Young Turks, which is when we disagree, we fight. Uh, but we have a beer afterwards. That's the second rule. And the third rule is, uh, when we agree, we unite. And so, that third one we haven't gotten to yet. I'm I'm, you know, I want to get there real bad. Uh but a some folks on the left did not like the idea of having a beer with Charlie Kirk or Marjorie Taylor Green or anyone else that they found to be uh too obnoxious. But it's not like I don't uh disagree with Charlie. I disagreed with him vehemently, especially uh on things he talked about race. Um I'm from a Muslim background. You know, lately the things he said about M Donnie were outrageous, etc. But I I would say to those on the left uh who are outraged by that, so what? It's America, so you don't have a right not to be offended.
I'm from a Muslim background. Okay. So, I'm offended by what he says. So, then what do I do? I I talk to our audience. Then I talk to Charlie Kirk. And I talk to other people. I debate. I do things in the battlefield of ideas. But the more that we hate each other, the more that people push towards violence, uh, the the worse it gets. So, we have got to draw the line. We can't nobody should unilaterally surrender in the battlefield of ideas or politics. But the more that we think that the other side is all evil, the worse it gets in America. We have to stop that. Our real problem isn't with the right or the left. It's with the extremes on both sides. Uh agreed. Uh Jenk, we have been we've been saying the same thing, Jenk. And I and I but I I'm curious what the reaction what you think of the reaction because what you just said is I I believe inherently true.
Um, but the reactions that I've heard have been people saying, people on the right saying, "You have now woken us up and now this is war essentially." And a lot of people playing the scoreboard game where they're saying, "Look, it's actually the left that is more violent and it's the left that's that's killing people." And there's none of that um uniting.
That was your third rule. And yeah, where do we go if that's what people want to do? If they want to play the scoreboard game, where does that leave us? Yeah. So, I'm super worried about it because uh right now, you're right. Uh people are saying, "Okay, all right. Here's all the list of violent things that the right-wing did." And that list is long.
Now, unfortunately, here's a list of the uh violent things that left-wingers have done. And that has become long and and that wasn't always the case, but it is the case now. We have to acknowledge that. But is it really the people on the left or the right? No. On the Young Turks, we've been saying for now over a year and and I say over a year and we've been around 20 years. So it's not like I didn't engage in some of this stuff and it's not like we didn't get overheated in some of our debates and our coverage, right? But what we're saying today is this is not helpful. This is not productive. A, you know, over 70 million people voted for Kla Harris. Over 70 million people voted for Donald Trump. They're not all extremists.
They're not all shooters of Charlie Kirk. They're not all uh people who did the riot on January 6th and don't believe in democracy, etc. There's a giant range there, guys. And if you think that we're all on the left defined by the person who shot Charlie Kirk, or everyone on the right is defined by the most extreme MAGA guy who says, you know, he loves alligator Alcatraz and can't wait for immigrants to be eaten by alligators. Then we're all going to think that we're deeply evil. the other side is deeply evil and we're all going to hate each other and we're never going to be able to be united as a country. So I say to my own side, I'll start here because it's incumbent on us to start because of what just happened to Charlie that I am not considering everyone on the right the same. I haven't done that for a while and I'm not doing it today and I'm not going to blame everyone on the right.
It's it's not productive. We've got to focus on the fact that 98% of us actually agree on so many things, but we can't get there because of the two extremes that are driving people to hate us, to hate each other. I I'm not sure whether it's 98% or 90%, but it's enough. You know, look, I I've been around a long time and I have seen an assassination of a president. I have seen attempted assassinations on a number of presidents. I have seen uh civil rights assassinations, wars. I've seen a lot. This assassination feels different to me because so many of the others you always said it's a one-off. It's a wacko. It's somebody on a fringe. I don't know whether the fringe is becoming bigger to a point where you can't call it fringe anymore.
And Jen, I got to say, I'm concerned about civil war. This one feels different to me. Yeah. So, in parts, I agree with you, Harvey. Uh, and I'm I'm worried that you're right that it's not the 2% that's extreme anymore, but all the way up to 10%. Which is uh which is a big number for folks who are extreme in any country. And I would say it's these days unfortunately split evenly between the left and the right. I know both sides will say no way. The other side is way more extreme, more violent. But all it does is get us into a perpetual cycle of arguing over who's the most extreme and who's the most violent. So I'll talk about my side and and I know I'll get flack for this, too. But guys, are we really pretending that there aren't folks on our side now who hate the other side so deeply? No, they do. And and what drives me crazy is that both sides are blind now. We were saying on the Young Turks that Joe Biden was too old and he couldn't run for president.
He couldn't be president. And people on the left were like, "No way. He's young and dynamic." And they really really couldn't see how old he was and how you know. Well, they called you a traitor. Yeah. Okay. So now on the right, they really can't see that like they say Trump hasn't been vitriolic. Oh, come on, guys. Of course Trump's been vitriolic. Of course, this January 6 happened and and people and there were sick people on the right who were celebrating the guy Paul Pelosi getting hit in the head with a hammer. Jesus Christ. And now there are sick people on the left celebrating the the death of Charlie Kirk. He had a three-year-old and a one-year-old. We can't What? And you're right, Harvey. Um this feels different. This isn't just debating anymore. This is and it's he's not a politician. We're now killing people for their opinions and that is not America. If we devolve like that, we'll be a different country and a much worse country.
I think those are those should be the parting words for this segment because I got to tell you, you nobody could say it better. That was You're right. You're right, Jake. Jake, I think uh and thank you so much for being with us. I think sadly that there needs to be an amendment to your three rules that you say when we disagree we fight but we fight with words and not oh absolutely not taking it and it's ridiculous take that even needs to be said. I knew what you meant when you said we when we disagree we fight but there are clearly some people who take it way way beyond that. Yeah. And by the way guys, last thing, that's why the the second rule exists.
Afterwards, you have to have a beer. Otherwise, the fight isn't just over words and opinions anymore. The beer brings you together so you don't hate each other. So for, you know, if you want to honor his memory, whether you're on the right or the left, instead of attacking someone on the other side, go find someone from the other side today and have a beer with them, have coffee with them, talk to them, and find out why they think what they think.
Begin that healing process today. Yeah. All right. How about Sydney Margarita? Is that all right? Yes. Allowed. I was thinking it too, but at least I was smart enough not to say it. Uh Jen, thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it. Thank you guys. Literally, it was in my head. Oh man. Who was it? God is so right. I know. That was good. Oh. I need this. Anybody on there interested in healing or is everybody still healing? I am interested in healing. I know you are clearly. Um, anybody on the chat interested in healing? Um, no.
Anything Jen said? Uh, yeah. Together, unite. Heal. The world is watching. Um, I look better with a soft focus. You're right. How do we heal? What's not a sandwich? You all right, man? You going to make it? My back feels like it ate a jalapeno. No, I'm That's what it feels like. It feels like like it burns. That's not um good, man. It's where I It's where I put the icy icy hot dog. Everyone's saying yes, let's heal. What does healing mean? No, I don't want to do that. Someone's asking what does healing mean? You know what? And Jenk said this. He knew what he was saying when he said this. I'll go first. Right. Because but part of him saying I'll go first. I'm going to say yes. Let's bring it down. It requires that someone's going to go second. So, he's hoping that by sending out the message he did that some people on the right will also.
Someone's asking what does healing mean for the country? It means means getting back to being able to one even speak to someone you disagree with and then being able to you know angry even angrily disagree with them but just words I don't know the United States can be healed I don't know that it's possible there are the problem now is that there are there are so many other layers of things going on like social media like the prevalence of gun violence and that everyone's okay with intolerance and we created intolerance in a nonviolent way that has now spilled over into violence, an intolerance of cancelling people, you know, for what I consider to be relatively minor infractions and and even that's part of this.
Oh, I think it is. I think intolerance leads to this and also just a culture of gun violence which has just been escalating. I mean, Coline is how old? Coline is almost three decades old. So we have seen gun violence has become part of the culture of settling grievances. I mean it's funny because not funny but it used to be the the the the meme before there were memes was you went postal meaning there was somebody who worked in a post office who was this weak link who would go crazy in the workplace and it was just a very specific thing right now it's everything.
It's schools, it's work, it's grocery stores, it's I'm not going to say it, but you're right. That was the thing. It was the thing. And I'm sorry. Nobody talks about people talking, but because we're fine. It's not relevant. But it, you know, it's there has been this I don't know. We solve things with violence now. I mean, that's the way people think you solve.
So, you think the country? Hold on. Yeah. You got your Yeah, we should do it right now. That's that's that's a problem. Okay, so here here here's what I want to do. Um, who can we call in Congress right now to get somebody on about the fact that people are afraid to go to town halls? They want security and they're afraid for their lives. Who can we get from Congress? Make a make some quick calls. Let's do a rush. So, here's what we should do. Let's do the first half of a of a and then we will leave. We will get somebody from Congress talking about this. Okay. You're not talking to Tammy Live. You're talking to me, right? No, we're talking live. Oh, apologies. Okay. The popular web series that eats chicken wings. The popular web series where they eat chicken wings. The popular web The popular web series where they eat chicken wings.
Am I wrong, guys? Okay, I hope you are. I I'm not. Yeah, I hope I'm wrong, too. I feel a civil war coming. I felt I've been telling Charles this for But what does a civil war look like now? Like today? It doesn't look like it. It's not north versus south. No, it's urban warfare. It's left versus right. It's right. And it's But it should be up versus down. It's not There are no clear battle lines, right? Which makes no Mason Dixon line. This is not right. East, west, north, south.
This is just ideology. Am I wrong? Let's wait to see what they say. I'm really curious if they think I'm wrong. I don't want to be right, but I feel like that's where we're heading. You do. And again, I'm telling you, so America's just doomed. Look, I'm just telling you there are countries countries change. You know, superpowers are no longer superpowers.
You know, the good news, if there is good news, is you can't just say it's doomed because the country is us. And so if if we acknowledge there's a problem and we I don't think we are. Well, I know we're not. I know we're not, but that's um Okay, good. Right. We should start A1. We can do Congress no matter what.
Unfortunately, I think Harvey's right. We can do Congress no matter what. It's a war difference. So, what are our um Can Olivia Can Olivia help us? Kill my mic. Kill my mic. I don't know if you guys can tell. I'm currently sitting down. Does it look like Is that what it looks like? What's up, April Wine? God, April Wine, I've never been more happy to see you. Feel like that's where we've been since 2020. Yeah, 2020 changed a lot. I think 2020 set the precedent for the decade.
For sure. 100%. 2020 will might end up being the most crucial year this century. Yeah. Okay. Really turned a lot. Reagan beats and all right. What's the other sound? There's two sound bites, right? Stephen A. Smith for president and Harvey as VP will stop the civil war. Wait, who is there? Stephen A. Smith for president and Harvey is VP. Do not discount Stephen A. Smith as the Democratic nominee in 2028.
Do not discount him. You know, people think I'm crazy. Do not discount Stephen A. Smith. like him or not, he cuts through and he's got that Trumpesque quality of not a politician. I can speak to the people. I speak in English. I don't speak political. Well, he speaks with conviction. And he speaks with conviction. That's what captivates the majority of his audience. I'm telling you people. Yeah. And he he will lose his big contract. But I will say that that's what wins. And all the politicians who want to be president, everybody says I don't like them cuz they're politicians and Stephen A. Smith isn't. Do not discount Stephen A. Smith. Okay. Bullet incription that we made full screen. Um and this I'm sorry the person from the it's the governor speaking, right? Yes. All right. Yeah. How How old is he again? He's 22. 22, right? 22.
Okay. I'll stand up. I'll stand somebody calling. I'll stand up when it's time. Yeah. All good. I got you. Oh, well. I'll get up. Be right next to that monitor and I'll you watch like the flash. Okay. All right. Go where? Like where he You want them to be where I am? They want to say size back. I want you to go over here. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Ready? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Welcome to TMZ Live. Uh so a suspect is now in custody and according to authorities at this point they believe he acted alone in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Yes. Uh the suspect uh is a 22year-old 22year-old uh Tyler uh sorry Tyler Robinson. Uh the suspect is 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. And we have learned a lot about uh some of the communications that he had with family members that concerned family members and his anger toward Charlie Kirk. Anger that he openly displayed uh toward Charlie Kirk and also things that he did after the shooting that are really puzzling, which we're going to get into. um his communications with his roommate uh about the rifle that he allegedly used to uh kill Charlie Kirk. It's all very puzzling. So, we're going to back up a little bit and start in high school five or six years ago um where he was a 4.0 student, aced the uh the college entrance exams, got a $32,000 scholarship to a Utah university. He enrolled, dropped out after the first year and things at some point around then seemed to turn bad. That's a real red flag. The the the one semester and then drops out.
I mean, when people do that, typically something's really wrong. Or, you know, they're trying to discover themselves. But in his case, look what happened. Well, he got rad. He got somehow radicalized and really radicalized against the world in which Charlie Kirk lived, right? And according to the authorities, he had at some point before Charlie Kirk's um arrival in Utah on the campus there of Utah Valley University. Uh there was a dinner where um he's sitting down with his family and someone mentions that, oh, Charlie Kirks, I heard Charlie Kirk's coming to town. And what we were told by authorities this morning is that he went off and just said uh that guy Charlie Kirk is full of hate and he is spreading hate across America and made it very clear um that how he feels about Charlie Kirk and the word radicalized was used by a family member who spoke to investigators.
So, um, you know, there's something that has seems to be in the culture of people who are doing things like what, uh, what Tyler Robinson is now accused of doing, which to which is to inscribe something on a bullet casing that is designed to kill an adversary. And that happened here in a very big and revealing way, right? Uh, and remember Luigi Manion did the same thing. But this uh the some of the things that they said were on these bullet casings. Hey fascist catch uh Bella Chow. Now Bella Chow is something that the Italian resistance would say. It was a song actually to fight the uh the Nazis. Yeah. And then another one that said if you read this you're gay. L M AO. And I'm told that is part of meme culture and young people who are online all the time.
A a phrase. So, um, look, so he um and you know, we got this video late yesterday where you see him actually walking to the campus. He's 3 minutes away when this when this ring video was shot and you see him limping there. It looks like Yeah. that he had a he had the rifle down one of his pant legs. Um, and then I think so relevant that 6 minutes after the shooting, we got this video from a Ring camera. And this is apparently Tyler running from now in the other direction away from campus. And you're going to see he's not going to have that limp, which means he lost the gun right around there. And well, we now know because they revealed where he dropped the gun. It's basically between the campus and uh those houses there.
So, this leads us to Tyler Robinson's roommate, right? And so, Tyler Tyler Robinson allegedly confessed to his dad, would not turn himself in. His dad told a youth pastor, the youth pastor called police, then he was the police came, they arrested him, and they interviewed his roommate, right? And Tyler's roommate said something to investigators about a joke. That's a quote. They said that the roommate said to them that um Robinson had made a joke on Discord on the chat platform and this is and this is why they describe he described it as a joke but this is Governor Spencer Cox explaining these messages. Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson, made a joke on Discord. The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to a to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
The messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. So this is this is the part that I I'm still having a problem with. Like you said, doesn't sound like any kind of a joke. But the big thing is it sounds like these messages on the surface were designed that he is somehow asking people to retrieve and then get rid of the evidence, the rifle. And he's saying there is a need to get this rifle um wrapped in a towel, which it was in the bushes, which it was. So then you start thinking, was somebody else sharing that information? Was somebody else in on it that he was relying on to get rid of the evidence at at this stage? Um the investigators say no, they do not believe that the roommate or anybody else was involved here.
But isn't it puzzling? It's puzzling that he's sharing that that Tyler that Tyler Robinson is sharing this information with someone and saying they're in the bushes. There are bushes all over the road map to basically find the evidence that is going to do him. It's it almost sounds like he wanted to be captured at that point. But or or he was relying on somebody cuz he was so vague about where bushes, you know, that somebody knew that it can find a towel in certain bush and you're going to be able to find the rifle and get a rifle right across the street from the It doesn't seem like a statement that would just exist by itself, right? Like it seems like something else would have been said prior, right? Why are you going to tell someone just go pick up a rifle right across from the campus where they know that this murder has happened? But we should say, we want to be really clear.
They have not in any way implicated the roommate. They have said that they believe he so far he acted alone. He wasn't specific. Uh Tyler and he sounds mentally ill to me. Maybe he just sent in anyone. I don't I mean I mean this guy Well, I don't think they've evaluated that yet. No, but um I mean he just like I I I don't think we should discount the fact that he wanted they say this FBI profilers say this about people who commit assassinations and they may run at first but they know that being captured is how their message gets out.
Right. So you think he wanted he left he left a message on the inscription of the cartridges and there have been plenty of people who try to get away. So, I don't know that we know that so far. It's It's just odd. Hi, I'm Ashley from Arizona. Um, first and foremost, I want to uh express my condolence and prayers and thoughts to Erica and her two children, the rest of the Kirk family. Uh, I can't imagine what they're going through. like we have whether we've agreed or disagreed with his thoughts and opinions on any matters across the board, we've followed him. He's been an influencer. So, um it's been really hard to watch. Um but there's a sliver of peace knowing that um the person who has assassinated him is at least in custody.
And you know, we'll find out more as the trial, you know, unveils and all of that, but this is never going to end. in this. Um, I liked what your guests that you had earlier on had to say about coming together. Um, whether you're left or you're right, we should be able to sit down and have a beer together at the end of our differences. And, uh, there has to be some middle ground made if we're ever going to make a difference. You know, what she said about a trial is interesting.
I I was thinking about it this morning. Do we end up getting a trial? There's they've already said they're going to go for the death penalty. is would they would prosecutors accept a plea deal? Well, remember that was a huge issue with Brian Cobberger, right? It does not it does not feel that way in this case, right? Okay, Jackson. He couldn't leave with the gun. There was no other option but to ditch it. Once he once he did, he knew he was going to get caught. The post makes sense to clear one's conscience. To clear his conscience. I mean, they wouldn't know necessarily that that roommate would ever divulge it. So, that's guys, there's something there's something that we just don't know about this.
There's just it's just so odd to make a vague reference. Like Babcock said, you make a vague reference to a bush. Well, somebody would have to know which bush to look at and he's not stupid. And so, was there any discussion before this about a particular Bush where a gun would be, you know, shrouded in in a towel? Yeah. I It's just odd. Yeah. It's just odd. Prosecute. That person you still want a congressman? I think it'd be really good. I think that's a really interesting element to this. Yeah. He was also registered as nonpartisan. He did not align with left-sided views.
That's Well, no, that doesn't mean he didn't align. It just means he didn't like the Democratic party's view. He could have been further than the Democratic. That's possible, too. Or not. Or not. And by the way, being unaffiliated is what everybody's doing these days or a lot of people. The country has had problems with radicalized domestic terrorism. Is this going to make things worse? I I I really It's so weird. I really believe Charlie Kirk's No, please leave it. Sorry. Is different. It is different than all the others that I've seen. This feels like the way people are settling political differences. Now I know it's or names. I know it's one, but it's a big one.
It feels very ominous. And just the way people are reacting to it and saying that, you know, you woke us the [ __ ] up. What does that mean? Thank you, sir. I don't think the roommate knew. I think he found something and sent another person the message saying, "What the hell?" What are we doing, Kyle? Charlie now in 10 minutes classmate.
Uh it's gonna be doesn't want his name or image. Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen's daughter reacted to the documentary has like tears and was like I didn't realize that my dad got sober for me. This is going to be somewhere, right? I'm going to I'm just going to stay until I have anyone in it. And it's early and you guys are setting up the shot. I'm not going to have anyone tap in for me earlier than when I need to go. Camera. So, where is this 11 40ish? 11:45ish. I'll dig it. If we get a congressman like that up on YouTube, maybe we'll we'll we'll do we'll just do F long like four minutes with a congressman if we can get him. No, no, you can't have Yeah, if we get congressman who make E, you'll make this F.
Yeah, then we can just cut this down. Oh, okay. So, we don't have to do this. We're just doing it. We're We're doing it. It'll be content somewhere as for how long it is. Got it. Right. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. But what is it? So, it's Charlie. She It's Charlie Sheen's daughter. This one's Sammy cuz Lola was in the documentary. She watches it. She postes the video where she has like water all in her eyes and she's like, "It's a 10 out of 10." Sammy the one he's not. It's just there's music underneath it. But she's looking emotional and saying, "I didn't know I was the reason he got sober." Yeah. And it was like it was a 10 out of 10 documentary. What What does that mean? She said 10 out of 10.
She said it's good. Got it. 10 out of 10 is good. Thank you for that help. Yep. Sunblock. Okay. aka Charlie Sheen, the documentary that is now uh streaming on Netflix. Have you seen it yet? I have not seen it. I have not. It's two parts. Um is it two or three parts? I think it's two parts. Uh I have not seen it yet, but I have heard that it is really astounding how much he reveals about everything that he's gone through. I mean, we saw a lot. We covered a lot. We were with him seeing all the craziness, but there's so much more that apparently we don't know. And even obviously the public doesn't know, but even his family, you know, that Charlie has been uh estranged from his daughter Sammy. Uh they had a big a very public blowout when she joined Only Fans.
Um he disagreed with that, but apparently she did watch the documentary and it was extremely emotional over what she saw. Um he she did not know that Charlie Sheen um said in this documentary that Sammy is the reason he got sober. His daughters were the reason his daughters were the reason that he got sober, which I find fascinating because his daughter Lola was in the documentary and talked about how hard it was for her to have a relationship with him when he wasn't sober, but like how like grateful she is now. So, I find it weird that Sammy is just now finding out that she was the reason that he got sober watching the documentary that they didn't have a conversation ever before, that he's never reached out to her because she posted in April that they haven't talked in a year.
So, it's like I wonder before the before the estrangement. Yeah. It's like did she not come up like really believe that that was the reason and then she watched this documentary and saw the pain? There was a lot of um contentiousness over old fans. Yes, that was a big deal. That was a big deal. Well, yeah. He was like, I can't believe she's doing it. But then he kind of came around to it when he saw how much money she was making and then Denise got on it. But I'm hoping that this documentary can heal their relationship. It's sad that they're come back together. Yes. Because it's her dad. It's her dad. Like, you want them to be able to talk and have a loving relationship. So, hopefully this helps. Yeah. I mean this it's really I I I'm sat down with Charlie um gosh this must have been going on two years ago be right when they were starting this documentary spent a couple hours with him and he was a two years ago just a different person from the person we covered for so many years I mean he was soberive about six years into sobriety right but he was he was on his game he was on his game Gabriel of Maryland Uh, I think that it's easy for folks to forget that our parents are just adults trying to figure it out just like we are, right? Um, and it's so great to see like so much public support coming in for Sammy.
Uh, which also shows that there's a lot of other people that are dealing with similarities with their parents. So, glad that they have this opportunity to hopefully move forward. Uh, because a lot of people don't get that opportunity. It's true. Yeah, it's true. And if a documentary does it, so be it. Okay, I'll tell you when I I was shocked when I spent I I spent a couple hours with him and it's it was like nobody that we does didn't resemble the person we had been covering for all those years when things were just insane and we knew him then. So it was crazy. Is that you now? you documents.
So, how to say this is a Oh, really? Yeah. And that she only said if she was forced to do it, these are the dates that she could do it. Well, she's going to If she gets subpoenaed, it's not her choice. Exactly. It's not her choice. Well, well, so that doesn't make sense. She's been subpoenaed, right? I mean, Brian Freriedman subpoenaed her, right? Yeah.
The It's not a phone call. It's a subpoena. Can I have one? It's the lemon one or the live one. Yeah. Um, loading. Are we I'm writing in response to the letter from council for wayfairer delivered to court yesterday. So, it was a letter. They're saying they just learned about the deposition three days ago, right? But she hasn't been subpoenaed. This sounds like a a letter is not a subpoena. Got it. So, that's what they're saying.
I don't want to do it. I'm not going to do it with via letter, but if I'm subpoenaed, I guess I have to, but I can only do it on the date these dates as though she was voluntarily doing it, right? Do you care to do a pickup for live or do you think it's okay? No, I think we got it. because he's going to subpoena him. Um, by the way, where are we going right now? What are we doing? By the way, in about like we'll we'll figure that out. Yeah. Tell us this is a high school classmate, middle and high school. Um, and they knew each other casually. The good friends, not best friends or anything, but but they knew each other over the years.
Were in classes together. Okay, got it. Let's do it. Let's do it. You're not going to see him. We're not saying his name. This is a boner. Okay. And this is Yeah. Sock, right? Hey, it's Harvey and Charles. Thank you so much for talking to us. Of course. So, um, we are going to start, um, like we told you, our producers told you, we're not going to use your name. Obviously, we're not going to see you. So, we just want to get kind of an honest take on your observations. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Okay. Yep. Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old suspect in the Charlie Kirk assassination. Um, you know, growing up there in Utah, only 22, so not that removed from um people that he grew up with, that he went to high school with, right? Um, we're trying to learn more about who this person was, what made him tick, and how he ended up um, in the middle of this horrific crime uh, committing this crime. So, we are joined now uh, by a former high school classmate and middle school.
Um, we are not revealing his name um, but nor show nor showing him or showing him, but he has agreed to speak to us um, so we can try to learn some more. So, so he's on he's you're on right now and and look, we know this much. He seemed to be smart. He seemed to be a good student. He had a 4.0. Um, give us kind of a profile. Um, we know that you were in class with him for years. You had seen him. Not necessarily great friends, but give us your honest impressions of him the way you saw it. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I just want to preface like I was not great friends with this kid. I don't want to act like I knew him super well, but for my impression, I feel like I'm well observant. I would say that he was Yeah, absolutely. Very smart, and that was obvious, but I feel like he was just kind of one of those goofier kids. Like, I can picture him laughing in class and having friends. He wasn't one of the kids that, you know, was sitting alone in the corner, anything like that.
I wouldn't describe him that way at all. But I would say um he definitely had or at least seemed to have somewhat more of the personality of uh being very online, being very much in tune like with memes, those kind of things. I feel like that was kind of his the people that surrounded him as well. Um I would say that's my best impression of him. I don't want to go into too much depth and make anything up because that's that's not what I'm going to do, but that's what I'd give you.
No, we appreciate that. Um, do you know anything about him being a was he a hunter? Um, do you know if he he went to to shooting ranges? Um, you know, uh, no. I I don't know anything about that. Did you ever hear anything political from him? Did he ever give you a sense of how he leaned um in a very broad way? No, I I wouldn't say that at all. I also feel like this is 2018. Um, I don't think people were quite as opinionated on their side at the time, so you wouldn't just casually hear someone talking about something like that. And especially not me. I didn't see him enough or talk to him enough to really get that in-depth about something. But did did he play sports? Did he have a girlfriend? Uh, that I don't know. I don't think he played sports. Just from looking at my yearbook, he wasn't included on like any of the club pages or anything of that sort. So, I wouldn't say that he did, but um at least not for the high school. We know that um his father made a call when trying to convince him to turn himself in.
Uh called a youth pastor. Do you know anything about uh what church they attended um that the family went to? No, I I have no idea. Um did you ever hear um anything about like what his goals were? I know that he got a scholarship. I mean, was there a particular, I don't know, career that he had talked about? Any sense of that? No, I I I definitely didn't get an impression of anything like that. I just didn't know him well enough. What was uh your reaction to the news this morning when you once we heard the FBI and the governor announce the name? Um Yeah. Did it how did that strike you uh after having gone to school with this person for so long? Yeah, I it was extremely shocking. Um I still live in that same town and uh I just couldn't believe that he was in my same class, my same high school, and that I had seen him so many times before.
So, it sounds like he was a kid who just kind of blended in. um did not stand out in any particular way, but there were no no warning signs to speak of. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, I would say so. I feel like of the times that I interacted with him, I was never left with an impression one way or another, like, oh, he's extremely happy. Oh, he's extremely unhappy. It was just kind of in the middle somewhere. Well, look, we really we really appreciate your honesty that you're not overstating anything. Um, but it does paint a little bit of a picture. So, um, thank you very much. We really appreciate the time. Yeah, of course. Thank you. Thanks again. I think what's clear there is a lot changed between high school and remember he's in high school during lockdowns, right? Well, during 2020, it must have been toward the end because he said this was 2018, right? So, yeah, I uh got a dri.
No, no, no. I someone can. Yeah, I think that's good because it really gives him credibility, too. C see. What year is One second you guys? I'm sorry. What year? What class? Oh, did or did we get the congressman? He graduated high school. 2021. The reason why this guy probably didn't know a whole lot, right? That's what I was just thinking. That's what because he said 2018 is because he said in the state of Utah, middle school is 8th grade or high school is 8th grade. Right. So 2018th grade. Yeah. 8 to 12. So like 20 nth grade through 12th grade from regulars would have been what did you have? Um yeah, cut him.
Cut the whole thing. Yeah, you want to hear the I don't knows are significant because it really shows his credibility. Um what uh did you have an F and G? So So let's do this. Let's do F and G and then if we can get a congressman in the next half hour, we'll do him or her, put that in E, do a trim down of Sammy right now so we can pop that in if we need to. And that way we've got a half hour to try to get a congressperson. That's fine. But then what would what would you do in F? Oh, okay.
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Who was at the Who was at? Who is at Kaisen? Big time. Big time rush. Big time rush. Big time rush. Benny Blanc. Okay, here we go. What What day is he on of the mafia thon here? Okay, here we go. Kaisenat's Mafia thon rolls on. He's streaming for 30 days straight. Everybody is jumping on this. Everyone is there. Um he got one of the most popular people in all of show business to drop in with her fiance. Yep. That would be Gomez and Benny Blanco. Uh and she sort of brought Benny to the party. Uh kind of dropping him off like a parent. [Music] Benny Selena, how you doing? What did I tell you? I got this. That's crazy. He has gotten just every So, she leaves and so wait, he's having a sleepover with Lil Dicky, Benny Blanco, right? And then I love I like Benny walks in with his pillow.
So they give Benny this fold out um uh bed and he is just suffering and so he says in the middle he's like not feeling good want to go home. It's like a kid at camp. He couldn't I know he couldn't last. He has had Kim Kardashian, Mariah Carey. Big time rush. Ray J. He has had everybody on this show. It's just crazy. It is um thing 30 days straight of streaming and no lack of guests. You know what this reminds me of? You know what this reminds me of? When we started, there was this thing that actors and actresses would not lower themselves to be around reality stars and it was this whole were labrada famous for doing nothing and it all shifted and it's shifting again now with YouTube and streaming. There would be people who'd say, "What? He's not doing anything for 30 days. Are we supposed to watch that?" And yes, millions and millions of people are watching. Yes, we are. Hi, it's Dorothy from Phoenix here.
And when I saw Selena Gomez just casually dropping Benny off at Kai's house, like she was a soccer mom at a sleepover, it was weirdly wholesome. Uh, honestly, she looks great. She was super sweet to Kai's sister. And I think this speaks volumes for like how important streaming is because she took time out of the wedding chaos for all of this. Like that's me, right? Because that's a 247 job. Uh what else you guys want to talk about? Let's get started on Charlie. This is Ebony from Long Island here. And I think it's a insane turn of events as to the new news on who actually ended up taking his life. And I think that the narrative that was pushed kind of turned on his head and now people are kind of confused as to what they should say or where they should stand based on who he was and what he represented and the fact that a life taken is a life taken. I think people are really trying to weigh their balance in between that right now. Well, it is a life taken and it should be viewed as such.
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. No matter what at the end of the day, no matter what political party you belong to, violence begets violence. And that's really what it is. That is the truth. One more. Hi, I'm Jamie from Cleveland, Ohio, and I'm here to talk about Taylor Swift um being summoned to testimony with the Blake Lively, Justin Baldon stuff. Um I think it's pretty major that she is being called um being one of the most powerful celebrities in the world. her time is super valuable and I don't think that she would agree to this um or her legal team would even agree to this if she didn't have a reason. Um, two things are true. She has Life of a Showgirl coming out in October and I feel like she wouldn't do this if it wasn't worth her time and the truth wasn't worth her time.
So, I feel like having her testimony adds credibility to the Wayfair case and I just am really excited to watch it all unfold. Well, let me just say a couple of things. One is it's not Taylor's choice. She may be real powerful in show business, but right now they sent a letter to the court saying we intend to call her. She says I'm not going to go unless I'm forced. And they can force her with a subpoena which will be coming and then she has to do it. And life of a showgirl is not an excuse not to sit for a deposition. You don't know if the judge even if the judge is a swifty All right. All right. So, we're now in the streaming sphere. When do we do our own marathon stream? Oh, god.
And how long are we going to do? It feels like we've done a marathon stream. We could go easily go. We went seven hours on Wednesday. Yeah, we did go seven hours on Wednesday. Seven hours. Yeah. And they're wondering when it felt like it. They're going to wondering when are you going to jump on Kai's stream? Um. Haha. You'd have to be invited first, right? But no, I people are like That's cool though. It would be very cool if I go to sleep at 7. Okay. Do it in the morning. He's on 24/7 at the gym. You guys can do a workout together at 2 a.m. I not at his place. I'm sure he's got I'm sure he's got a gym. He's got a full setup at home. He's not living in like a the Well, it kind of looked I gotta say it kind of looked like a crash pad.
It did. But I mean, similar similar to Kai, we've also had celebs on our own streams. Fair Abraham, Master P came through when we were on stream. Even before streaming, we've had Lindsay Lohan roll through here, Kim Kardashian. Yeah. Where you going? Where you going? This is you be going for this plastic surgery. Yeah, there was a huge there was a huge revolution in Napole just now. In Nepal? Yes. Jenz has overthrown the government and they have elected their new leader. What are you talking about? What? Dead ass. Are you serious? Are you serious? They dead ass, man. Dead ass. Dead ass. You just said that like he was supposed to know what? Sorry. Dead ass. He's like what? They elected their new leader through a Discord vote. Get out. They at a discord. How are they? How are they approving that? I had read something about Nepal and their This sounds very sketchy.
Everybody Jackson, I think, does not have the full story here. They didn't elect a president under a Discord vote. Do your research. Dead ass. Dead ass, man. Somebody explain to me whether he's clowning us or whether this is real. Times did it. Who did it? York. New York Times said what? Headline is social media as politics. Yeah, Harvey, you're hot. Gen Z protesters have chosen Next Paul PM on Discord. That doesn't mean he's the next. That just means that's who they want. Jackson, you are not You're live ass.
You are not dead ass. That's the Okay, stop it. I don't want to see this. Oh, what's what's the federal case? Look at this. So I looked up after Jenz overthrew the government, Nepal elects via Discord vote. That doesn't mean it's the prime minister. Read what? Read the read the full headline. After Gen Z overthrew the government, how did it overthrow the government? Read the Well, no, it's not the headline. N Okay, show me show me the article. I can't read it. You see what I'm saying? Nepaly just pulled off the ultimate Gen Z revolution by protesting over social media and toppling the government. The people are saying the the electing the new leader on discord. The new leader is meeting. I just don't believe this. I mean, first of all, what am I reading? Is this Am I reading a social media post? Reading a social media, dude. I'm Oh, but because it didn't come from a media. Well, yeah. I want to see that. Give me something where it shows Nepal has voted has decided we're not going to the ballot box.
We're going to Discord and that's how we're going to elect a prime minister. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, you guys catch that. You see what just happened? You see what he just did? You're a bad catch. Flip it. Yeah, I'll admit it seems a little unlikely. Seems a little unlikely. Seems a little unlikely, but I thought it was a cool story. Yeah. All right. Yeah. What are we doing for G? Yeah, we can easily do that. Yeah, I like that. Are you calling Tim Reagan? Are they calling Tim? They and and what we He's He's not likely. I thought you had a relationship. We've had him on the phone. What? What? What? What? They're just laughing at you tossing. I know. I'm sorry. That was That was I It was bad fumble assault. It was a bad fumble. No, it was a fumble. It was not an assault. Do you do your own hair, dude? Jim, explain how this place works. There is no makeup. There is no hair. There is nothing.
Everyone does it themselves. There is nothing. Well, at least for me. What do you mean at least for you? Like, who who else you guys make? Well, that's, you know, I mean, that's that's their own thing. probably enough those around. No, we weren't. Nobody was Hey, we don't I mean, that really is the thing. I'm an old ass man and I don't put makeup on. Boy, what a mistake, right? Tell me why. I hate it. I just hate it. What? Doing your hair? I hate putting Cuz when I was a TV reporter, when I was you own makeup? No.
Doing your when you were a reporter? No, we had a makeup department. You did? Pauline, you guys are fancy in LA. What? I don't need a brush. You were fancy in LA. We didn't Phoenix. Pauline do our own. Oh, Pauline would give me the dirt. Pauline knew everything that was going on. Oh, what was that? Pauline when I was a When I was a local reporter, you had to be able to put your own makeup. No, come on. Oh, I could. Yeah, but it was mostly Pauline. And um and one day I was in the makeup chair and Pauline said, "You should have a cleft." And I said, "What are you talking?" She said, "You should have a cleft." So she said, "Let me do this." So she took a pencil and she drew a cleft and she said, "Watch this." So go. So I do the show and then I and then she says, "That looked great." She said, "We're going to do that every day." And so they did for like five years every day.
And the thing is it would move sometimes from here to here. Sometimes it mean big so offensive to the cleft community. I know. Well, people would be very upset with you. I love Pauline. She was great. She was so fun. And Paul Well, I'll tell you later. So, what are we shooting? Okay. Okay. Let's do G. Oh god. So, just so you guys know, we're going to finish the show and then we are going to we're trying to get a congressman.
I'm really interested in this. The there's this whole thing in Congress now. They're afraid to hold rallies. They don't want to have town hall meetings. They're asking for security. There are kids who are asking their parents, "Please don't run again." It's become a huge thing. I'm telling you, this is the the Charlie Kirk assassination is different from just about everything we've seen before. And um it's been a flash point. And um that's what's really interesting here. You know what? Let me ask you something. What is the I kind of want to know this because that's something we can talk about here if we're not going to get a congressperson. This is interesting. Okay, let's just do this for 220. Here we go. Yeah, we can always redo G. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. 220. You seem to think that's your good side, huh? I just noticed you just naturally always I literally was fine here and you started moving.
I was just moving over to get over here. I'm fine. No, no, no. I'm totally fine here. I don't have a good sight of what? Tyler's grandmother said, "My son, his dad is a Republican for Trump. Um, he is the shiest person. He has never ever spoke politics to me at all." Wait, he's This is uh Tyler's grandmother. Tyler's grandmother. They went to the house, right? I mean, we knew that the father was Republican. Yeah. Um, she doesn't think she thinks they have the wrong guy based on I mean, obviously, you know. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, yeah. She says she doesn't think he ever shot a gun. Okay, here we go. This is GB block. Yep. 220. 220. Yeah. I'm going start it. You know, we talked about this earlier that, you know, there is something different about the Charlie Kirk assassination from so many of the other violent cases where people are killed. There's a flash point here and I think it's played itself out today, last night and today in Congress because there are congressmen that are openly saying I am afraid to hold a town hall.
I need security. They've gone to Mike Johnson and asked for security. They have kid their kids are begging their parents who are representatives, don't run for reelection. You'll get killed. This one is different because this is the first political violence, first assassination that has happened to such a a brash uh public figure on the political stage uh in the in recent years since things have been so ratcheted up. There have been other acts of political violence, but also I think the way this one happened and that everyone saw what happened, it is incredibly jarring, not just for America, but as you said, for the people who are running and really for their family members who say there's no way that you can see that and not immediately think that could be my loved one.
It is not alarmist to feel that way. It is not It is it is real and it really does get to the point that we've been talking about for a long time which is where this country is going and that if you have people afraid to run for office, afraid to interact with their constituents for good reason, rightfully afraid and and where is our democracy? What is you lose democracy when you cannot actually do the most democratic thing which is interact with your people have camp have have candidates that you have free elections for without those two things you don't have democracy anymore. We have gotten to a point where it is just dangerous to go out and you know it used to be there's a a term aguraphobia which is a fear of going out.
It's not It's not a disease anymore. It's a reality. Yeah, really is. Oh, hope everyone doesn't Oh, you I mean, sorry about that. You want to let them know next next week we'll be doing headlines and picking lunch? Yeah. I just This was not this just wasn't the right time to do that. But we will hopefully get back to, you know, doing what we did. Get back to a lot of things. Yeah. Cool. You just got to kind of I got to run over to the station. Have a good weekend everybody. So just keep it up on you guys want Monday. There's people that wanted to do it..
